Dealing with 'Condition White' family members...
 

According to Captain Dave's Survival Center guide:

Recently my older/irresponsible sister moved in with my girlfriend and I and inadvertently found out about my food and PM preps as they were originally stashed in the closet of the guest room she is staying in.

To make a long story short she thinks that it is "cute" that her younger brother is
"stockpiling stuff." Moreover, she is very naive to the point where she believes that almost EVERYONE she meets is a good person/friend, and has minimal issues about helping potential stranger-friends out if necessary (which is partly why she is staying with me atm.)

I've become so concerned with OPSEC, especially post SHTF, that I made my sister promise not to reveal any of my preps with anyone, but I'm unsure of how serious she actually took it.

Has anyone else had a similar experience with family members? If so, how did you you deal with it.

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Move your preps somewhere more secure. End of story.

Useless trying to educate people who have never gone without.

I showed both my parents a load of Ag I'd bought. Strangely they were both supportive, which I wasn't expecting, but I didn't leave it lying around. I have been
right on a number of fronts in the past, so they never question my acumen or decisions which is nice.

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I recently had a falling out with my family who is hopelessly hooked in the Matrix. I had a large stash of preps stored at my family's house. After the final blowout I have since removed my property from there, without their knowledge, and moved it to a secure location.

Your preps are yours. Even if you have prepped well, I doubt most have enough for unprepared family members in "condition white".

I would move your preps and tell your sister that you saw how silly it was to have insurance against a rainy day and that you sold it all.

When the SHTF all relationships will be strained. That's why I constantly tell people mental Prep is the best Prep.

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I'm a single parent with three teens. It is nearly impossible to keep my preps a secret here at the house. When they see me come home with more food etc. to stockpile they roll their eyes. Being younger they have never really seen a bad recession's effects. To them The Great Depression is some historical oddity that could never happen again.

I am more concerned with loose lips regarding my buying pm's. While they have no idea how much or where my stash is they are aware that I'm buying pm's. Not like I talk about it but they "know" I'm buying. I almost had a heart attack when my son mentioned he told his teacher, "My Mom buys silver cause she thinks there's a Depression coming." I had to ream him out about how it puts us in jeopardy. He never really got what the consequences could be. Of course he said his teacher just laughed and said that was a silly idea.

I always knew about what my Dad was doing when I was a kid. I used to go with him to the coin dealers and shops when he purchased pm's. I just "knew" that you didn't talk about it to others. I will really be working on teaching the First Rule of PM club.

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Yes! My husband just doesn't get it. He understands why it wouldn't be a good thing for people to know if things got bad, but because he doesn't think things will ever get that bad, he thinks it's a funny conversation piece. I've been upset at him enough times that he knows better than to do it in front of me, but I suspect he's still doing it behind my back. When he did it in front of me, I'd laugh it off and say he was exaggerating and that we've used up most of the stuff "in the pantry" anyway. Luckily, he has a lot of trouble telling the guns apart, so I doubt anyone knows what I've really got. I've always been pretty secretive about my preps, even with him, and he doesn't pay a lot of attention to the things I stash, so he doesn't really seem to know the extent of them. It definitely bothers me. I don't really have anyplace else to keep the stuff, though I've been buying storage food for my sister with the understanding that if the SHTF (her home/land is the family's bug-out location), the rest of the family will be out there to share it. She believes in the need to prep, but she doesn't have the money to buy preps, and if she did, she probably still wouldn't buy them (she and her husband have very useful skills/experience, though).

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Mcduck, I have been griping about the same thing since I started buying PMs last year. Except for one Daughter my family thinks I am an oar short.. One Daughter is supportive and plans with me, the other Daughter gets mad if the subject comes up. One thing about both Daughter is they know how to keep their mouths shut. They have told no one.

My Husband just thinks I have gone round the bend. In fact he overstepped his bounds yesterday and really screwed up. He told his BIG mouthed brotherinlaw I bought a shotgun and was storing food. My Brotherinlaw has the biggest mouth in the world and I suspect my craziness will be the subject of discussion at the big ACC party next month. I am not a happy. Quite honestly Im not sure how to handle the situation.

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I have been a big fan of Captain Dave's for a long time. He has a small fourm too (the first survival forum I ever joined). Great info there. :smokin:

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:rolleyes_m: Wow...after reading the SHTF prep perspective from our female members POV I am hereby giving notice on GIM that I am now officially worried.

:bear_w00t::D:bear_w00t:

Women actually taking a proactive view of survival and protection of their family tells me the end is near.
Most women I know are more concerned with buying pretty shoes and the size of their buttocks.

Bravo ladies...welcome to the real Planet Earth.

Noah built an ark while his neighbors jeered and called him a nut job.
Must have been a real bummer to watch Noah float away as the water rose higher.

I predict a drastic reduction in the US population due to suicide and mental breakdowns among the unprepared.
They think the rules never change...our benevolent government solves all problems for them,so why worry ?

Yeah right...

:bear_w00t::bear_w00t::bear_w00t:

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I have made that mistake also, so what I have started doing if this subject comes up is just say oh it's nothing, and just play it off, offering NO additional details.

If someone mentions PM now, it is usually followed by them saying wish I had some.. I make sure to follow with a hearty yeah ME TOO.

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Can anyone assure you that you and your family will never be put in a life or death situation? Will they 'personally' assure you that!!?

As a parent it is 'your' obligation, and duty to care for, and protect your family. Help arrives 'after the fact'. A firearm is a tool, nothing more, nothing less. A tool well suited for the purpose of protection.

Preparing for the un-planned is nothing more than insurance. How many pay for car, house, life, and health insurance? How much money every year is spent on those 'just-in-case' rip-offs? Why not insure your family against financial collapse, or disaster? You put your family first, and have taken their survival into your own hands, and have not left it to 'unknown' others to know what is best for you and your children.

Bravo to you. Who is shirking their responsibilities .... you ... or them? :smokin:

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River Rat said
"Wow...after reading the SHTF prep perspective from our female members POV I am hereby giving notice on GIM that I am now officially worried.
Women actually taking a proactive view of survival and protection of their family tells me the end is near.
Most women I know are more concerned with buying pretty shoes and the size of their buttocks."

This comment concerns me. I always knew men misunderstood women but not to this extent?
Any man who doesn't take a woman protecting her Children as a deadly adversary is going to get his ass seriously whipped. Take a lesson from Mother Nature and watch a Bear or Lioness with their cubs. A protective female can be a force of nature. Besides, we can shop, worry about the size of our butt and prepare for Armageddon all the same time. Unlike men we multitask well.

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Tech guy, I think that is how I am going to handle it. Ill just ignore it and play it down.

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Funny .... thats what my wife always says to me. :smokin:

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I haven't discussed my preps with my parents and brother. I know how they feel about the guns. I'm not married or currently "involved", so that isn't a concern, but I do look for women with "their eyes open".

My brother and SIL are pragmatists. If TSHTF and they survive it, I'll have solid support (green though it may be). He simply doesn't see it, but his focus is on feeding his family.

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Posted by jaima:

Not these days...and I'm sorry we run in entirely different social circles.

99% of the women I work with and my overall experience in general says otherwise.Total wimps that cop out on even cooking for their own children.
It is extremely rare to find any woman who doesn't lay the entire responsibility for security and protection of the entire family on their husband.
I am totally surrounded by wannabe yuppie Valley Girls and hyperactive soccer Mom's who's intelligence level falls somewhere between a toad and a common house fly...so I stand behind my observations and make no apology for calling it as I see it.

Bottom line: The world needs more women like you...and that's a compliment,not a put down to females in general.

:D:D:D

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The oddity isn't that women prep. That's always been our province, and I know more than a few women who keep pantries and "secret" savings accounts for emergencies. I know many who own guns or want to own guns but don't know how to go about it, too. People who don't know guns often feel they're more complicated and scary than they are, and the "manly" image guns have can contribute to a woman's insecurity about handling one. If they come looking on the Internet, they'll likely find a bunch of threads suggesting women need special guns in sizes that aren't too much for them. Actually buying one can be intimidating, too. It's getting better, but it can still be awkward for women to buy a gun. In the old days, we had to "prove" we knew what we were talking about because a lot of dealers would try to foist off cheap little .25s or whatever else they had trouble selling on us. Now we have to "prove" we know what we're talking about because there's such a fear of straw sales and women buying guns for men who can't. We still have to field a lot of surprised comments about a woman buying a gun. A dealer told me I was the "talk of the gunshow" once when I bought two cases of .308 surplus and three cases of 7.62 x 39. Everyone wanted to know what "that girl" was shooting (so much for low profile!). It can be very intimidating for an insecure woman taking that first gun-buying step alone. It can be tempting for a married woman to let her husband take responsibility for all the awkward parts.

What many women don't do is identify with the stereotype of "survivalist" (that's still what most people would label preppers). They're not as inclined to show up in places like this. I think older women are also somewhat less represented on the Internet in forums and such than men, as they are in most hobbies. Most of that is probably due to the time and energy childcare takes up, especially now that most women work full-time (when I caved a lot we would always mourn the pregnancy of a fellow female caver because we knew her caving days were pretty much over; not so with their husbands). Some of it is also due to the different style of communication women use. Notice that you don't see a lot of male/female mixing in forums. One or the other predominates and sets the tone. I personally like forums like this, but, then, I'm notoriously lousy at "girl talk."

As for shoes and butts, :D I don't know anyone who thinks too much about pretty shoes (though I know they're out there), but butt size is kind of a survival concern for women. Like it or not, women are judged most immediately on their looks, and that judgement can be very harsh and vicious and can even have an impact on income and career success. My boss tells me he can't hire overweight female court reporters because the lawyers always request that he not send "the fat cows." Of note, his top-earning male court reporter was pretty chunky! Nowhere have I noticed this more than when I sat on a jury for a long trial a few years ago. The defendent's attorney was female. She was well-groomed, smart, articulate, funny, and very well dressed. She was also fat...very, very fat. Every man on the jury hated her, mocked everything she said, and made jokes about her weight, while the women all thought she was impressively intelligent, poised, and articulate. If the defendent hadn't been so obviously guilty, I would have had real concerns that her weight influenced the men of the jury to think negatively of her client.

On the bright side of all this is that the average person doesn't expect a woman to be into prepping or guns, so we already have a good "cover" (or would if our family members don't blow it). I've mentioned here before how many years ago, when I worked as a pest control technician in a rural area, I had a number of families on my shared route that let me into storage rooms packed with long-term foods and other survival items and their walk-in gun safes that they never let my fellow employees (all male) into. Apparently, they thought I didn't know what I was looking at and wasn't a threat. :D

P.S. After reading your next post, RR, I suspect it's the crowd you run with that's given you that impression. Let me ask, are the men in that crowd any better at prepping and responsibility than the women? The women I work with are mostly between struggling-to-survive and comfortably-middle-class on the scale. Many are quite aware of how quickly the rug can be pulled out from under us, especially the divorced moms/single moms. (I once had an entire class of middle-aged female students, black and white, and all but the white soccer mom were concerned with survival issues and owned guns, and a few practiced shooting weekly!) The soccer moms I know (and their husbands) are largely blind to impending disaster. They seem to believe that some innate virtue has made them successful in life and misfortune only befalls others. I guess comfort has bred a false sense of security in them. The rich folks down the road a few miles are the worst. None of them, male or female, seem concerned with much more than status.

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Good grief River Rat!! Where do you live and how old are you? What age group of woman are you talking about and in what Profession?

Come to the rural south. The area is full of beautiful woman with a lot of grit. Find yourself a Nurse. I work with many beautiful young woman who have backbone and have trouble meeting men because they are in an all female workplace.

I do have to say my red flags go up when I hear men make these statements about woman. I think a good segment of men are drawn to "fluffy: woman who are high maintenance because they act like Queens and a man perceives their value as being higher.

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Nice post Maddie. I have a Daughter who worries about shoes....I find her interest in shoes rather bizarre. In fact her Husband was Manager of the shoe department at a upscale department store when they stated dating. When he wants to make her happy he brings her home shoes.

I worry about her a lot.

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Luckily, but not accidentally my wife has open eyes like I do when it comes to being prepared.

Since we meet 8 years ago I have always Keep "supplies" on hand
Always Tried to Keep a Full pantry of Canned goods,and Bottled water just like My Grandparents did.

I told her that I stocked up on supplies and PM's before Y2k and I think she thought that was smart to be prepared "just in case"

Im sure others thought it was silly

My thinking now is..

Two of her grown Kids are married with children(5) and They are no doubt gonna need to come live with us when TSHTF.

So we need to stock pile enough food to feed them also..
They cannot afford to do it and I doubt they would if they could.

I cannot afford it my self But I'm gonna do it anyhow...I don't think I could turn family away...

Although she also has Two Sisters and nieces and nephews that live in a small town bout 75 miles from us...

Don't know what I'm gonna do if they come knocking

Our Home/land in the hills will provide a good place to Grow food. We plant a large garden every year...gonna start planting a bigger one from now on. also gonna get more fruit trees
and we have good water well...and Plan to buy Chickens to raise as well

But It won't be enough to support the whole extended family...:no_ma:

So what am I gonna do?

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The most important and thought-provoking question you can ask anyone is "How far would you have to walk to the nearest *CLEAN* fresh water supply?"

I have gotten some very scared looks from that question once I get them to understand that motorboats pollute clean water, and that plumbing won't work when the system shuts down. The idea of walking 5+ miles is tough enough. Carrying the water back is even tougher... but THEN you ask them about the neighborhoods they would have to walk through to get there!!!

That's when they turn lily-white... and I even made a female friend of mine cry... She will NEVER look at the world the same way again!

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my sister is the only one left and she has more preps than me, so I guess I'm good to go.

Captain Dave's has some expensive stuff. Always use google.

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very good :applause_:applause_:applause_

1st rule of PM club: there is no PM club.

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+1.

Act like you don't care about your future <=> sheepishly. :bull-buddy-icon:

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three can keep a secret............if two don't know about it! condition white folks will have no choice except to report to the stadium for their handout of gov't cheese and vaccinations. have charge of my grandaughter now, mom is mental, cannot care for her. wife and i keep food stocked, have had lotta practice living on the road last 6 years. not getting too complacent works for us, have learned to live with change all my life, actually embrace it now. wish i had some of those pm's folks talk about on this forum, may look into it soon.

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Well, your options are as follows:

1.) Terminate
2.) Exile
3.) Swear allegiance
4.) Move your stash and swear allegiance and make her sign the document with blood in your treehouse before your mom comes home.

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:rolleyes_m: Posted by Maddie:

Nope...too busy playing golf and knocking down six figure salaries while little wifey thinks the ultimate goal in life is to stay in the top ten on the social butterfly network and look fabulous in public.
Some of these women have spent more money trying to look and stay young than most of us make in an entire lifetime at a well paying job.

Husbands are alpha types who think the ultimate rush in life is to be married to a pretty wife and stash a drop dead gorgeous mistress on the side to break the boredom.

Yes...they can afford it and their wives remind me a little of The Stepford Wives gone large.
So the concept of prepping for a disaster is about as alien to them as pigs sprouting wings and pooping on their BMW parked in the driveway.

I have managed to scare the hell out of one stock broker friend who is now investing in PMs like a maniac,so not all is lost. :>)

Overall my observations tell me professional people and the idle rich I socialize with think the sky will never fall.

To admit the system could fail would be admitting they stand the chance of losing everything they believe in,so it's easier just to shut out gloom and doomers like me and label me a friend who is a lovable nut job with a warped view of economics and reality.

Condition White will hit them like a freight train head on...I doubt there will be many survivors among them when TSHTF.

:bear_w00t::D:bear_w00t:

Does that answer your question Maddie ?

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treehouse! :signs8::haha::haha::haha:

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Thank you--it's always difficult to find ways of illustrating the consequences of not preparing, and this is the perfect opening question.

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To the opening question: move your preps or keep all future preps elsewhere. Any condition white is like a screen door in a submarine. It will take death, possible multiple deaths, before the gravity of the situation is real to them. Their loose comments can bring down the wrath of God on your house, and all will be lost. Sorry. That's not what you want to hear.

I can agree with RR: virtually everyone is condition white, and women have no concept of family, of becoming one body in marriage (or relationship), or of protecting their children. There are sides to this, but first in mind is that every word, deed, ad, and lesson is focused on keeping women in this useless state. If you remove them from it for half a second, they revert to being relaxed and having their feet in the earth. However, women are social and would rather die of being useless than break the bonds to friends, family, and the society represented by TV--look at Victorian times! Or the 50s! Friends and family are ingesting the same poison, and insure she doesn't break ranks.

Women not of this type are very rare. Thus the intense interest in any woman buying .308. It wasn't that they thought she shouldn't be buying, or was strange; every man there wanted to check her story and thus availability. Any woman here gets proposals from the rest of us weekly (all in good fun).

Women are strong, and useful, more than they imagine, but they are critically behind the curve since the system turned it's attention on co-opting them into the workforce/economy, into the machine. The hooks are in now. Even those I know who know better--know better as a personal fact--cannot choose truth, and life, when balanced against being "slightly odd". I know them. They are choosing their friends and family and lies rather than a truth that could save all three.

I've been here a long time, and the increase in the women posters, and the intensity of their preps concerns me. It means the birds are flocking for big weather and I don't like the look of it. The men are too, but men are paranoid and always worrying about some danger or another, you can't put too much stock in that.

Good luck to all. There's probably no greater danger than condition white friends and family, and no way around the danger until people die of it. They won't believe. They can't imagine. If they could imagine, they wouldn't be Condition White.

TS

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Lt Dan, your wife sounds likes like a blessing and real Partner. Count your blessings if her only gripe is the gun collection. Most woman would have a problem with that.

Simpleton and River Rat. I think you are selling woman way short. It pains me that so many men have such a low opinion of woman.

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Part of that is which women you choose to be around, but I agree they are underselling women by generalizing. I would venture that the women who truly are concerned about their families and their futures are more willing to trust this instinct, than those, much like similar men I must say, who trust Overlords, Hollywood idols and the Trappings of neon gods.

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:rolleyes_m: Posted by: jaima

FYI:

My Mom was the type of woman who was so self centered and selfish she tried to talk my Dad into giving me and my two brothers up for adoption the moment we were born.She never missed an opportunity to tell me so at least once a day until I left home at eighteen and never returned.
She basically was a lazy slob who would have sacrificed any of her children to save herself without a second thought.
There is no love lost on my end.
My Dad ( RIP ) ...is now finally free of psycho bitch.

I overcame being treated like dirt at an early age and never looked back.
My two brothers still can't relate to people that love their mother.It will remain a mystery to them until they die.

She was not an isolated case by any means.
I have met hundreds of abusive mothers just like her over the years.
As a former LEO I saw enough first hand child abuse and carnage to last me a lifetime,so my POV is coming from experience with the public at large,not my own personal childhood.

Sorry for the long post...I got a little off topic :>(

Low opinion of women ?

Not really...I have a wonderful wife who had a somewhat similar nightmare childhood with an abusive alcoholic mother.
Not everyone grows up in America with a story book childhood,I got the Nightmare On Elm Street version.

:bear_w00t::D:bear_w00t:

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Riverrat, I found your post touching. The scars of abuse and abandonment are evident. I will never understand the abuse of a child's love by any Parent. There is no more blessed gift in this world then our children.

That being said there is nothing gender specific about abuse or neglect. We just tend to see the world colored by our own experiences. When we view the world through those painful experiences we tend to attract those type people and situations.

Many women including myself have been through the "men are scum" phase of life because of our bad experiences. It took a male friend to give me a dose of tough love and education on the male gender. Once I got over generalizing because of my bad experiences I saw things a little differently. Once you see them differently you attract a different type of person to yourself. I know it sounds corny but forgiveness really is the key. Without forgiveness we hold ourselves captive a lifetime.

Anyway, you were blessed with a good wife and hopefully you two are healing old wounds together. In the meantime like it or not men and women need each other. Open your mind, eyes and heart and you will find the world is full of good women.

The period of time we are about to enter will have little to do with gender. It will be about good versus evil and there is no room in gender prejudice in that battle. The reason you see so little interest from women is because at this point there is little awareness from women. I promise you once Mothers become aware of the danger to their children you will see a very different picture.

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My wife grew up in hurricane country so her idea of a normal full pantry is pretty amazing. We've been kidded our pantry had more food than a small store. So it isn't a stretch for her to prep.

My mom and grandmom were of pioneer stock and having enough food to see you through the winter was considered a wifely ordinary duty. So it seems normal to me too. We just expanded it some under current circumstances.

RR, that is so sad and horrible. It is fortunately rather rare too. Humanity would not have survived if many women felt that way.

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I tell people I'm so cheap that I buy lots of odd foods on sale and stock it to save money.....I tell them it gets boring eating the same old stuff...but it saves us money.....

In reality, I'm stocking the basement full of food....

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I just tell people (the few) I'm prepping in the event the local nuc-cular plant goes gaboom or in case the Islamofascists (ahem) pull another stunt.

I'm curious to know how people are preparing long-long term. For example, how do we prep for our children's security? Buy farmland and teach them to be self sufficient?

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:rolleyes_m: Posted by Golden Poet:

You are correct . :D:applause_:D

I don't know about those that had an average set of normal parents,but I was thrown in the shark tank without a knife at a very early age.
By age ten I had a well rounded street education most people could never attain in a lifetime...most don't actually want it either :>)

It's amazing I didn't turn criminal with all the economic survival knowledge I had acquired and just became a grifter or a professional con man working the big stings for the rest of my life.
I think living in a harsh economic environment of violence and random starvation as a small child wakes you up at an early age as to how the world really operates....not what they teach you in school.

There was one slight bonus to the whole scenario though.
It put me in a mental state of constant suspicion-disbelief and I trusted nothing adults told me.
That alone kept me out of a lot of trouble and saved my bacon a thousand times over and over again as I grew older.
Some adults were as dumb as a bag of rocks and I was not buying whatever they were selling.

As you can tell...I haven't lost that early warning BS detection personality trait even to this day.
It clings to you like Rio Grande mud :>)

As Martha Stuart would say " That's a good thing "

:D:D:D

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If someone questions your ethics regarding preps all you need do is point out New Orleans and how unprepared they were.

Had the residents taken even one step toward self-preservation the end result would have been much different.

You could also ask those that question you, "Oh, do you not have insurance?" which is another 'prep' one takes. You may not ever need it, but there it is.

My wife is not against pms. She's heard me talk about the dollar and I've shown her charts over the years. It's not difficult to 'see' what's happening and the direction things are going. We go on walks and I've explained how FRN money is created. Why a house in 1960 cost $30K and now sells for $230k, yet it's the same house.

If you haven't taken the red pill yet, there's still time: http://www.deprogram.us/enter.php

RiverRat... I'm on the same page with you on some of your life journeys. Mine was Catholic Nuns, or as I prefer calling them "Black robed bitches". I suffered 7 years of torture at their hands.

In retrospect, I'm just glad it was the nuns and not the priests!